"washington post," would get out there on tv and say there is certainty here. there is no doubt he has acquired -- saddam has acquired these aluminum tubes to make a nuclear weapon. and that to me still, i mean ten years later, is shocking that the national security adviser would say such a thing and not even know there was a very robust debate over this. >> what was bush's personal motivation, you think? >> you know, that's a real good question. talking to your producer before the show, one of the questions is what do we not know, still not know? and i still think in a lot of ways we don't know why bush did this. one question i have is when we came into office, had there not been a 9/11, would he have been hell-bent on this? i think there is a lot of evidence that the neocons around him, you know, donald rumsfeld and dick cheney and paul wolfowitz, they were gunning for saddam hussein even before 9/11, and they used 9/11 as an excuse to go after him right away. was bush, you know, in that camp? was it personal because of what happened with his fa?